Showing posts with label Stanley Fish. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Stanley Fish. Show all posts

Monday, May 18, 2009

The Faith and Science of Professor Fish

I wrote the following in response to Stanley Fish's second column on faith and reason.


They closed comments while I was writing it, so I'm posting it here.

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It might be said that the contrast between faith and science is that faith presupposes that one is right, while science presupposes that one is wrong. The analysis presented by Prof. Fish tells us that the suppositions of science are built on assumptions inherited as "fact" from previous endeavors. Does the humble doubt of the "knowing" faithful parallel the careful hypothesis testing of the critical scientist in this regard? 

I think there is a naive view, however, in limiting the discussion to one person making one observation at a time. Ten scientists can repeat the same experiment in ten places at ten times and get the same answer every time. Facts can exist, even without an observer to attest to them, as the fact is waiting to be observed (gravity is waiting for you at the bottom of the ocean). Independent verification is a powerful antidote to having to accept anything from anyone in the form of assumption. If I understand one of the undercurrents of Prof. Fish's descriptions of faith, the pervasive human belief in God and faith can be also viewed as an experiment performed in parallel over many centuries, thus taking on a greater dimensionality than simple singular belief. 

I did not expect to state this, but perhaps he is right that science and faith do have more in common than they don't.

Tuesday, October 28, 2008

Rhetoric has limits.

I left this comment in response to the esteemed Stanley Fish's NYT column, in which he compares Barack Obama's campaign to Jesus's evangelism in Hell.


I know things are pretty morbid around here, but I can't help it.

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“…Whom Reason hath equaled, Force hath made Supreme.” [PL1, L248]

Let us not forget that rhetoric can be replaced with violence. The risk of those who are extreme (at either end of the spectrum, if it is linear) is not just their influence over the winner in the White House, but the extent of their unwillingness to be on the losing side of a contest.

As an analyst of rhetoric, Prof. Fish may tend to treat that universe as complete. That may not be indeed realistic.

As a side note, the quote above is Satan complaining about his loss in an assault against Heaven, where he has by implication falsely labeled God the aggressor (and his rhetorical equal). The side which abandons Reason for violence can still blame the other party for the violence.

Let us hope things remain rhetorical, shall we?